International Student Discussion Lists (SL-LISTS)
Guidelines for Teachers
Start-up Procedure
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Register your class with Tom Robb (trobb@cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp) giving
Your name, the name of your institution, the dates of your class
term, the approximate number of students and the name of the node
that they will use (the part following the '@' mark in their
address). If you are reading this information, you most likely
have already completed this step!
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Your class node will be registered in the 'header' of the INTRO-SL
list which will permit your students to subscribe to INTRO-SL.
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Print out this information for your reference and prepare copies of
the student handout -- the last section in these guidelines.
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Go over the material with your students, and then have them subscribe
to INTRO-SL.
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The students will receive a welcome message with a list of the
guidelines and 'netiquette' for participating on the SL Lists. Go
over this document with your students. You can receive a copy of
document by subscribing to INTRO-SL yourself.
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Have the students post their first message to INTRO-SL. Help them
learn how to properly format it. Note that the other messages on
INTRO-SL may not serve as good models! See the section entitled
"Getting Started" below for more detailed information.
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They are welcome to send as many messages as they like to INTRO-SL,
but once they are ready, they can join any of the other lists.
Please remind them that the other lists are for discussing the topic
of the list and they should NOT send a personal introduction void of
any relevant content.
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If the students s no longer wish to receive the INTRO-SL messages,
advise them to set it to NOMAIL. Instructions for this are in the
INTRO-SL "Welcome Message."
When The Course Ends
Have the students unsubscribe. If the students can retain their
e-mail accounts and would like to continue independently, they may
as long as you are willing to intercede should some trouble arise.
Alternately, the student can request to be registered as an
individual student on the INDIV-SL list by sending a request to
Tom Robb containing the following promise.
I promise to read the rules for participation in the Student
Lists and to follow them faithfully. I understand that I may be
removed from the SL lists if I violate these rules.
Detailed Information on the SL Lists
The Current Lists
The Student Lists were established in February 1994 to provide a
forum for cross-cultural discussion and writing practice for college
and university students in English language programs around the world.
There are nine student lists:
INTRO-SL Student EFL/ESL Discussion List for New Members
The first list that all students join, for making
friends and practicing sending and receiving e-mail.
CHAT-SL Student General Discussion List (Low level).
Students can use this list for small chit-chat.
A party-like atmosphere.
DISCUSS-SL Student General Discussion List (High level).
Participants on this list are expected to have at least
an intermediate level command of written English. For
more serious topics and in-depth discussion of issues not
covered by the other lists, although levity is welcome!
BUSINESS-SL Student Discussion List on Business and Economics.
Discussion of any aspect of business, economics, world
trade problems, etc. is welcome.
EVENT-SL Student Discussion List on Current Events.
Discussion on anything related to current events,
ranging from the weather to the environment to social
and political issues.
MOVIE-SL Student Discussion List on the Cinema.
Discussion on anything having to do with the movies,
including opinions, comments and questions about films
and actors and actresses.
MUSIC-SL Student Discussion List on Music.
Discussion, comments and questions about any kind of
music or musicians: rock, pop, classical, folk, etc.
SPORT-SL Student Discussion List on Sports.
Discussion of any aspect of sports, including current
international sporting events as well as advice on and
descriptions of any sport.
ENGL-SL Student Discussion List on English.
A place to ask questions and get (or give) information
and advice about any aspect of learning and using
English, including grammar, spelling, pronunciation,
language learning strategies, etc.
SCITECH-SL Student Discussion List on Science, Technology and
Computers.
For students studying or interested in science and
technology.
MONITORS
The following people have been appointed as monitors to each list. It
is their job to see that their respective list runs smoothly in
accordance with the guidelines, and to stimulate discussion whenever
necessary.
MONITORS:
CHAT-SL
Michael Glass, Sogang University
glasstm@ccs.sogang.ac.kr
Kazue Tanaka, Tokuyama Women's College
tanaka@tokujo.ac.jp, twc97150@tokujo.ac.jp
DISCUSS-SL
Tony Butterworth, Adult Migrant English Service, NSW, Australia
tonybutterworth@one.net.au
BUSINESS-SL
Emily Lites, American Business English Services, Boulder, Colorado, U.S.
lites@bizenglish.com
Vicki Hollett, Freelance teacher and writer
101361.2352@CompuServe.COM
Ken Alyta, Samsung Human Resources Development Center
alyta@sigma.shrdc.com
ENGL-SL
David Ross, Houston Community College, Houston, Texas
ross_d@hccs.cc.tx.us
Michael Thomas, Ruprecht-Karls-Universitaet Heidelberg
Michael.Thomas@urz.uni-heidelberg.de
EVENT-SL
Ellen Butki, Brooklyn Bridge Institute, Argentina
ebutki@datamarkets.com.ar
Suzan Moody, Chinese University of Hong Kong
smoody@cuhk.edu.hk
MOVIE-SL
Jane ('Truna') Turner, Queensland University of Technology, Brisbane, Australia
j.turner@qut.edu.au
David Tillyer, Westchester Community College, Westchester, New York, U.S.A.
datcc@cunyvm.cuny.edu
MUSIC-SL
Greg Younger, Economics Institute, Boulder, Colorado, U.S.,
youngerg@spot.colorado.edu
Todd Steed, University of Tennessee, Knoxville
steedt@cie.gw.utk.edu
SCITECH-SL
Monitors needed!
SPORT-SL
Sam Cornett, Sumikin-Intercom, Japan
sam-cornett@aw.sumikin.co.jp
Getting Started
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Work them into email gradually
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Let them try writing email-type messages on paper to a partner
in class, so they can see the person they're writing to.
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Have them send a few messages to you via email (you reply).
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Use email for writing journals.
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Have them send email and receive responses from an in-class
partner.
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Have students make a class distribution list (alias, names) so
that a class listserv has been set up. Another possibility is to
set up a class listserv yourself through your computer center. Use
this class listserv for synchronous or asynchronous on-line
discussions.
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Find out in some way (a written assignment, perhaps) what
they've seen before encouraging them to post to the list.
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For optimal success, require the use of a list as a part of
their coursework.
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Be sure they understand the lists
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Subscribe to a few of them and lurk for a week before your
students subscribe. Discuss what they can expect, and discuss what
they're seeing while they're in the lurking phase.
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Be sure they understand the difference between ENGL-SL and the
other lists (see descriptions above). Direct them to ENGL-SL when
they have questions about grammar, idioms, vocabulary, usage, etc.
They can be sure that their questions will be answered on ENGL-SL.
Effective Messages
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Good writing on email -- teach the following:
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ALWAYS use descriptive, short subject headings.
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Start with some kind of greeting (i.e. Hi, Hello, somebody's
name).
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Don't use all capital letters -- It will look like you're
shouting.
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Use paragraphs and spaces.
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Sign your message
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Introductions on the lists
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Please try to make your students sensitive to the fact that the
readers on INTRO-SL get many, many introductory postings.
Interesting introductions include something uniquely personal
and/or eye-catching.
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A good rule of thumb is that 'introductory postings' should
ALWAYS include a question -
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something that other readers might
take interest in a respond to. Ideally, if the list has been
active enough, all introductory messages should refer to a
previously posted message that the student has seen during the
initial "lurking" phase.
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Students should sign their introduction with full name (or alias
that will always be used) and university.
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A poor introduction:
My name is Maria. I study English at X university. Please
write!
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A better introduction:
Hello! I see you have been talking about food. I make
excellent whirlpool eggs. Can you guess how? Can you guess
what country I'm from? Tell me how to make your favorite
food.
Youki Naito, XYZ University
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Take a real post or two, point out what is wrong with them, and
then provide a good model. (The example below is fictitious.)
Teachers could use these in class with their students:
Poor:
TO: INTRO-SL
Hello! This is Kim Jong-Sam. I am from Korea. I like movies and
playing tennis. Please send me a message!
Why is this a poor message?
- The information about himself is very boring. People can tell he is from Korea just by looking at his name.
- He says he likes movies and playing tennis but gives no details.
- He doesn't refer to any previous message.
- He says 'Please send me a message' but there is nothing in this message that other people would want to reply to.
Better:
TO: INTRO-SL
Hello! This is my first posting to INTRO-SL. I'm from Pusan, Korea
and have only been in the U.S. for 2 months now.
I like movies very much. I see that some people have been
discussing Forrest Gump. I thought it was a nice story, but it is
a little difficult to believe sometimes! Do you agree with me?
Bye!
--Kim Jong-Sam (Call me 'Sam') XYZ University
Why is this better??
- He provides more detailed information about himself.
- He refers to something previously discussed.
- He says something which other people can reply to.
Keeping the Momentum
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Using the lists as a part of coursework (some suggestions)
- Require students to reply to at least one posting a day/week.
- Use what they see on the list as a basis for in-class activities.
- Have them find, maintain, and report on penpal communications that are initiated via a list.
- Require them to get involved with at least one discussion, report on the experience.
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Changes to course structures -- Unlike some other email projects, the SL lists are not project
specific. Teachers can structure the course so that communicative
interaction via the internet is a part of the course; i.e.
students must get certain information from other subscribers in
order to complete an assignment. Remember that other discussions
may be taking place on the lists as well.
- Teachers who have longer or more complex projects in mind are
free to discuss this on TCHR-SL.
- Suggested activity:
Students can be required to find out specific things from
students from other countries, i.e:
- find 5 recipes specific to 3 different countries,
- Ask students from 3 different countries to tell you
what 5 things they think a visitor to their city should
see.
- Discuss in brief three headlines from this week
provided by students in 4 different countries.
Sample posting:
Hello, chatters! I need your help with an assignment that I
must hand in this week. I need holiday recipes from three
different countries. If you send a recipe, please explain the
holiday, too. Thanks!
Suagata S., Japan.
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Continued access to email
- See to it that students can keep their email accounts open even
after the course is over so they can stay on the lists.
- At the end of a course, some students may not want to stay on
the lists. Make sure that they unsubscribe!
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Some teachers active as catalysts on the lists
- Especially for those who use the lists as a part of class
assignments, this is equivalent to preparing a lesson.
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Develop virtual events or activities on a list to which all
your students are subscribed.
Facilitating Problem Resolution
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Students who don't use their email accounts
- If there are technological difficulties, the student may need to
be taken through the steps one by one by the teacher or a
knowledgeable fellow student.
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If the problem is psychological, it may be time to have an in-
class discussion in very small groups about the students'
feelings, positive and negative, about using email.
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Students who don't get past the lurking stage
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Implement suggestions above for getting into email slowly.
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Ask the students why they are reluctant to post.
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Take a recent posting from a list that the student is subscribed
to which you feel contains a good stimulus for a reply. With the
student, brainstorm some things that s/he might be able to say and
then have the student write a reply on paper (or word processor)
to show you. After a suitable reply has been generated, have the
student post it.
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When there is no response to one's postings
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Have students bring to class print-outs of the postings to which
they got no response and have students brainstorm in small groups
ways to make postings more inviting to replies.
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Encourage students to reply to many others. They may have to
throw the line in a few times before they get a bite.
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Too much mail
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Make sure they know how to unsubscribe from lists they're not
interested in or required to use.
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Teach them to write and read subject headings.
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Teach them how to delete mail before it is read (based on
subject headings).
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Teach skimming and scanning so they can read mail quickly.
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Too little mail
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Encourage them to write more often in ways that invite replies.
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Make sure they know how to unsubscribe from a slow list and
subscribe to a more active one.
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Ask students why they think a given list is too inactive.
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Brainstorm (with students and teachers!) ways to increase
traffic.
Technical Considerations
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Deleting lines
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When messages keep getting reposted when included with a new
message, it can make for redundant reading. Teach students how to
edit out unnecessary lines from previous postings which they are
including with their message.
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Good subject headings
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Should be no more than three or four words yet convey the main
idea of the message.
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Deleting/discarding/saving mail
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Teach them how to clean out their mailboxes as often as
possible.
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Subscribing, unsubscribing
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Make sure they know the difference between sending something to
listserv@latrobe.edu.au and sending something to their list(s)
XXXX-SL@latrobe.edu.au.
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Instructions:
1) TO SUBSCRIBE to a list, send a message to
listserv@latrobe.edu.au
with only the following in the body of the message (and use no
subject heading)
SUB XXXX-SL my-full-name-here
(XXXX is the name of the list to which you want to subscribe. So
your message might read:
SUBSCRIBE CHAT-SL
2) TO UNSUBSCRIBE from a list, send a message to
listserv@latrobe.edu.au
with only the following in the body of the message:
UNSUB XXXX-SL
such as:
UNSUB CHAT-SL
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Using the computer
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Teach students how to turn on the computer, log on, and read and
respond to mail.
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Teach students not to use caps lock, as the resulting message
looks like they're shouting.
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Teach them how to use function keys. (or email commands specific
to the email program used at your college).
Keeping the Lists Centered on the Students
Teachers are encouraged to participate in the lists with the
following in mind:
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Students like and profit by seeing native speech on the
lists.
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Postings from teachers should always include a question to
the students or some other way of encouraging student
response.
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Teachers must avoid talking only with each other on any list.
Conversations must be geared to including students. It is
strongly suggested that TEACHERS REFRAIN FROM RESPONDING TO
STUDENT POSTINGS FOR 24 HOURS in order to give other students
a chance to reply first. Teachers should not answer the
student-targeted challenges posted on the lists by the list
monitors.
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Teachers are encouraged to start or help keep topics or
virtual activities moving, but should do everything possible
to involve students.
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Research based on the lists must first be authorized by La
Trobe University. If you have any question, contact the list
monitor or list owners.
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Native speaker students are allowed on the lists but within
the above parameters. They are encouraged to lurk for a while
and to contact the list monitor before posting.
Co-owners of the SL lists:
Lloyd Holliday, La Trobe University, Australia
<L.Holliday@latrobe.edu.au>
Thomas Robb, Kyoto Sangyo University, Japan
<trobb@cc.kyoto-su.ac.jp>
A copy of the practice quiz can be found here.